The Road Less Travelled

On the road less travelled => Kampeer plekke en ander Bestemmings => Topic started by: Trailrider on May 16, 2008, 10:47:07 PM



Title: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on May 16, 2008, 10:47:07 PM
KNYSNA. – Daar is lig aan die einde van die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe-tonnel.

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Me. Lynne Brown, Wes-Kaapse minister van finansies en toerisme, het na afloop van ’n vergadering met Transnet en me. Eleanore Bouw-Spies, burgemeester van Knysna, aangedui haar departement sal alles doen om die stoomtrein weer op dreef te kry.

Die ikoon van die Suid-Kaap het in Augustus 2006 ontspoor nadat die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna dermate beskadig is dat dit miljoene rande sal kos om te herstel. “Dit sal sowat R100 miljoen kos om die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna te herstel,” het Brown vroeër gesê. Dié koste sal die opknapping van die afgeleefde waens insluit.

Me. Maria Ramos, Transnet se hoofbestuurder, het intussen aangedui dié semistaatsinstelling stel nie in die herstel van die spoorlyn belang nie. “Die Choo-Tjoe is ’n wonderlike bate en gawe mense werk daarmee, maar dis nie ons kernbesigheid nie.” Transnet fokus ná transformasie op die vervoer van goedere, pypleidings en hawens. Transnet het egter aangedui dat hy die spoorlyn steeds in stand sal hou.

Brown meen die ekonomiese waarde van die Choo-Tjoe vir die plaaslike gemeenskappe kan nie geïgnoreer word nie. Sy het ’n projekbestuurder aangestel om ’n sakeplan saam te stel vir die trein wat sedert verlede jaar tussen George en Mosselbaai loop. Wanneer die sakeplan in werking gestel word, sal daar ook gekyk word na ’n sakeplan om die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna weer oopgestel te kry. Sy het ook ’n bestuurskomitee aangestel uit verteenwoordigers van Transnet, die betrokke munisipaliteite, die provinsiale departement van ekonomiese ontwikkeling en die provinsiale tesourie. Daar sal ook vir openbare deelname voorsiening gemaak word.

Mnr. Johan Coetzee, eienaar van die Grotto-restaurant in ’n grot naby die spoorbrug oor die Kaaimansrivier, het gesê hy sal sy onder­neming weer aan die gang kry as die lyn weer oopgestel word. ’n Rotsstorting het toegang tot die grot op die spoorlyn afgesny en die restaurant moes toemaak. “Ek het baie skade gely aan ontwikkelingskoste en die versekering het net die inhoud vervang. Ons is al amper twee jaar toe en ons sal die onderneming weer van voor af moet opbou.” Mnr. Rob Drummond, eienaar van Tranc 29 op die ou Wildernisstasie, het gesê toerisme is die “grootste volhoubare bedryf in die Suid-Kaap en dié nuus is fantasties”. Dié restaurant was sedert Augustus 2006 net gedurende die somermaande oop.

TISHA STEYN
15/05/2008 09:49:40 PM - (SA)
http://www.dieburger.com/Stories/News/Regions/17.0.447559969.aspx

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Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on May 18, 2008, 12:48:16 AM
I have riden the train between Knysna and George a few times. Each time was totally different. I suppose the view is different both ways even though it is the same. The scenery is also ever changing. We have a container with soot from the CHOO CHOO while on honeymoon. Scored major points with the wife for that train trip.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: CK1 on May 18, 2008, 10:05:15 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Het ook self die trein rit mee gemaak en sal dit enige dag weer doen as dit oop is.  Die roete is ongelooflik.  Wonderlik dat hulle dit oorweeg om dit weer reg te maak.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 25, 2008, 08:09:52 AM
Ander plan met bekende Suid-Kaapse stoomtrein
TISHA STEYN
21/09/2008 10:06:04 PM - (SA)

Sakelui in die Suid-Kaap begin nou ander sakemodelle voorlê om die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe terug te kry op die spoor na Knysna.

“Die Choo-Tjoe is die enigste stoomtrein ter wêreld wat nog op ’n vaste grondslag geloop het,” het mnr. Allan McVitty, ’n bewaringskundige van Knysna, gister gesê. Oorstromings in Augustus 2006 het die treinspoor tussen George en Knysna só beskadig dat die diens afgeskaf is.

Intussen is ’n diens tussen ­George en Mosselbaai ingestel, maar dié plan begin na bewering skipbreuk ly. Volgens die kaartjieskantoor by die Transnet Erfenismuseum is die verkope baie wisselvallig. Die trein loop net wanneer genoeg kaartjies verkoop word.

Die huidige diens is een van twee sakemodelle wat deur belanghebbendes voorgelê is aan projekleiers wat aangestel is deur me. Lynne Browne, tans provinsiale premier en destyds provinsiale minister van finansies, ekonomiese ontwikkeling en toerisme. Mnr. Garth Strachan het intussen by haar oorgeneem.

Die tweede sakeplan behels ’n gereelde diens van Wildernis na Knysna. “Omdat die trein in die verlede op vasgestelde tye vertrek het, kon toeroperateurs dit by hul toerplanne insluit,” het McVitty gesê. Om die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna te herstel, sal sowat R135 miljoen kos, in vergelyking met R20 miljoen om die lyn tussen Wildernis en Knysna te herstel.

Volgens McVitty sal die korter roete, die laer aanvangskapitaal wat nodig is, en kaartjieverkope vir meer as een reis per dag, ’n wins toon. “Daar moet duidelik gestel word dat die ondersoek gedoen word na die lewensvatbaarste uitweg om die trein te laat voortbestaan. Dit gaan nie oor kompetisie tussen Knysna en Mosselbaai nie.”


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 25, 2008, 08:14:24 AM
Wat jammer is, is dat die roete tussen Wildernis en Knysna die tonnel en Kaaimans brug sal uitsluit.

Ek wonder ook hoe hulle nogal die trein van George aan die Wildernis kant gaan kry? Die lyn tussen George en Wildernis is erg beskadig.

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Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on September 26, 2008, 09:36:08 AM
Daai sleepers is 'n paar rand werd. Hulle sal seker die trein per pad vervoer.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 26, 2008, 09:41:19 AM
Deur Kaaimans? Aikona.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on September 26, 2008, 10:39:07 AM
They will have to close the road.  Remember, those truck articulate both at the front and the rear. It must just reach forwars enough to smash the speed camera mounted against the hill on the first turn.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 17, 2009, 09:20:12 AM
Lot van gewilde Choo-Tjoe gou bekend gemaak

George. - Die lot van die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe kan dalk al teen die einde van die maand bepaal word wanneer ’n verslag deur ’n private konsultant aan die Wes-Kaapse departement van ekonomiese ontwikkeling en toerisme voorgelê word.

Die roete tussen George en Knysna is gesluit sedert ’n rampvloed in Augustus 2006 die spoorlyn onbegaanbaar gemaak het en die trein loop sedertdien tussen George en Mosselbaai. “Arcus Gibb, ’n onafhanklike konsultant van Kaapstad, is aangestel om ’n sakeplan vir dié toerisme-ikoon saam te stel,” het mnr. Rod Douglas, adjunkdirekteur van die departement, vroeër vandeesweek gesê.

Volgens Douglas is die konsultant aangestel om volledig navorsing te doen oor die moontlikhede en finansiële implikasies daarvan om die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna te herstel. “Indien die herstel van die spoorlyn finansieel onmoontlik is, sal hulle ook kyk na ander opsies, soos om die roete tussen Victoriabaai en Knysna te omskep in ’n voetslaan- en fietsryroete.”

Tonne rots en grond wat tydens die vloede in 2006 op die spoorlyn tussen Victoriabaai en Wildernis beland het, lê nog net so. Latere stortings op die waterpyplyn wat sedert 2006 langs die spoorlyn gelê is, dui ook daarop dat die helling onderkant die N2 in Kaaimanspas steeds nie stabiel is nie.

Tekens van die drukking en spanning is sigbaar in die vorm van skade aan die betonkeermuur wat die spoorlyn ondersteun reg langs die wêreldbekende brug oor die Kaaimansriviermond. Volgens Douglas sal die konsultant die departement op 28 Januarie toelig, waarna rolspelers in die Suid-Kaap op ’n geslote vergadering op 30 Januarie ingelig sal word oor die bevindings.

Die stoomtrein is ’n oorblyfsel van die treinbedryf wat vroeg in die vorige eeu in die Suid-Kaap en Klein-Karoo gevestig is ter wille van boerderybedrywighede. Aanvanklik is ossewaens gebruik om die produkte tussen die Klein-Karoo en Mosselbaai se hawe te vervoer, maar die togte deur die Attakwa- en Robinsonpas was moeisaam en gevaarlik.

Die houtbedryf langs die kus het ook ’n spoor tussen George en Knysna geverg, en die lyn, wat later deur die Choo-Tjoe bekend gemaak is, is omstreeks 1927 voltooi.

(http://www.dieburger.com/Photos/DieBurgerWes/Photos/2009-01-17/News/treinspoor%20011--297x250.jpg)

http://www.dieburger.com/Stories/Streek/SuidKaap/19.0.1221687962.aspx


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Pmdb on January 17, 2009, 01:15:06 PM
Dis jammer,maar ek dink nie die trein gaan ooit weer loop op daai stukkie spoor nie  >:(


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on January 18, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
Lets hope funds are made available to continue the train.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: CK1 on February 18, 2009, 09:26:36 PM
Minister vra vir geduld oor trein se toekoms
TISHA STEYN
16/02/2009 09:43:06 PM - (SA)

George. - Inwoners van die Suid-Kaap is gister gemaan om geduldig te wees terwyl daar oor die toekoms van die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe besluit word.


“Ek verstaan waarom inwoners van die Suid-Kaap baie geïnteresseerd is in die toekoms van die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe,” het mnr. Garth Strachan, Wes-Kaapse minister van finansies, ekonomiese ontwikkeling en toerisme, gister gesê en die stilte oor die toekoms van die toerisme-ikoon van die Suid-Kaap verbreek.


“Ek versoek inwoners van die Suid-Kaap om geduldig te wees terwyl ons die bes moontlike toekoms vir die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe beding met inagneming van al die feite. Ons moet seker maak dat daar met omsigtigheid oor die trein se toekoms besluit word. Daarom heroorweeg die komitee wat aangestel is om die ondersoek te doen, twee sakeplanne wat onlangs op ’n vergadering aan rolspelers voorgelê is.”


Volgens Strachan sal die komitee en die diensverskaffer (Arcus Gibb) die moontlikhede noukeurig oorweeg voordat aanbevelings gemaak word wat hy aan Transnet, die eienaar wat tans die trein bedryf, sal voorlê.


Strachan het Vrydag erken dat die stoomtrein, die enigste ter wêreld wat nog gereeld volgens ’n rooster loop, teen die einde van Maart ook nie meer Mosselbaai toe sal loop nie.


Hy het ook gesê dat hy die rolspelers nog drie maande gegee het om die sakeplanne te heroorweeg.



Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: R-O-V-Rat on February 18, 2009, 09:38:54 PM
Go Choo-Tjoe go!!!!


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on April 21, 2009, 12:48:20 PM
Transnet stop Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe in sy spore weens bedryfsverlies
TISHA STEYN
17/04/2009 07:59:16 PM - (SA)

George. - Transnet gaan op 30 Junie ophou om die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe te ­bedryf.

“Uit ’n besigheidsoogpunt is dit die regte besluit,” het mnr. Kobus Volschenk, wat dié toerisme-ikoon van die Suid-Kaap uit die Erfenistrust se vervoermuseum in George bestuur, gister gesê. “Die trein kan nie teen ’n verlies loop nie. Maar uit ’n toerisme-oogpunt is dit nie goed nie.”

Volschenk het gesê vir hom persoonlik sal dit ’n hartseerdag wees as die trein moet ophou loop. “Ons kom ’n lang pad saam met die trein sedert die diens in 1993 tussen ­George en Knysna ingestel is. “Ons is van die eerstes wat daarby betrokke geraak het, en dit word deel van ’n mens se lewe. Ons was deel van die opbouproses – tot die vloede die spoor tussen George en Knysna beskadig het. “Maar ’n mens moet realisties wees: Jou persoonlike gevoelens gaan nie die prentjie verander nie. Dit gaan nie geld in die bank sit nie.”

Die vloede in 2006 het die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna sodanig beskadig dat die diens opgeskort is. Die trein loop tans weekdae tussen George en Mosselbaai, maar van 1 Mei net op Vrydae. Tensy ’n ander operateur gevind word, is die laaste fluit van die stoomtrein op 30 Junie finaal uit. “Die bal is in mnr. Garth Strachan, Wes-Kaapse minister van finansies, ekonomiese ontwikkeling en toerisme, se hande. Daar word gesoek na private instansies wat die trein saam met die regering kan bedryf, maar omdat hierdie onderhandelings op ’n hoë vlak plaasvind, weet ons aan die bedryfskant niks. “Al wat ons vir seker weet, is dat Transnet hom onttrek. Niemand wat met die Choo-Tjoe werk, is in kennis gestel dat hulle hul werk gaan verloor nie.”

Intussen ry onsekerheid oor die toekoms van die trein besprekings in die wiele. “Toeroperateurs en toeriste wil nie van die trein gebruik maak nie, want dit is nie seker of die diens hoegenaamd gaan voortbestaan nie. “Ons weet nie wie, indien enig­iemand, gaan oorneem nie. Ons weet nie of die tydrooster of pryse gaan verander nie.”

Om dié rede is ’n vrywaringsbrief aan toeroperateurs en ander toeriste-instansies gestuur waarin uiteengesit word dat Transnet van 1 Julie af nie aanspreeklik gehou kan word vir verliese, skade of kostes as gevolg van wysigings of kansellasies nie. In die brief word ook gepleit vir voortgesette ondersteuning van die Choo-Tjoe.

http://www.dieburger.com/Stories/Streek/SuidKaap/19.0.1473337355.aspx


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on July 01, 2009, 08:19:28 AM
Trein se einde nuus in Londen
TISHA STEYN
30/06/2009 10:51:37 PM - (SA)

George. - Die laaste tog van die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe het tot in Europa opslae gemaak.

“Die laaste geskeduleerde stoomtrein in Afrika het gister die laaste keer geloop nadat vloede en grondstortings dit te duur gemaak het,” het The ­Times in Londen Saterdag berig. Luidens die berig het die Choo-Tjoe, wat lokomotiewe gebruik het wat in Brittanje vervaardig is, duisende Britse stoomentoesiaste gelok vir ’n reis deur die asemrowendste landskappe in die land.

Die koerant berig voorts dat die koste van onderhoud van die roete oor 42 myl van George na Mosselbaai te duur geword het vir Transnet, die eienaar van die trein. “Tensy ’n nuwe finansiële vennoot aan boord kom, sal daar nie meer ’n gereelde stoomtrein op die spoor loop nie. Dit sal ’n einde bring aan die trotse tradisie van stoom op die kontinent waar Cecil Rhodes op sy dag planne gehad het vir ’n spoorlyn van die Kaap tot in Kaïro.”

Volgens mnr. Chris Janisch van die Heritage Rail Associa­tion of South Africa is dit “tragies vir stoomentoesiaste en toerisme”. “Die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe lok jaarliks duisende toeriste wat baie geld hier uitgee. Nie net die trein nie, maar die gastehuise, restaurante en ander sakeondernemings maak staat op die geld wat toerisme inbring. Britse entoesiaste is jammer om te hoor die trein loop nie meer nie.”

Die trein het in 1907 hier begin loop en die spoor na Knysna is 21 jaar later gelê. Die stoomtrein het tot 115 000 toeriste – die meeste van hulle uit die buiteland – per jaar vervoer.

Die spoor tussen George en Knysna is in Augustus 2006 sodanig beskadig deur vloede dat die diens daarheen opgeskort moes word. Dit is kort daarna ingestel as ’n gereelde roete tussen George en Mosselbaai, totdat Transnet dit finaal op 30 Junie opgeskort het. Mnr. Neels Zietsman, voorsitter van Mosselbaai Toerisme, het gister gesê dit is ’n groot teleurstelling dat die trein nie meer loop nie.

“Ons het baie moeite gedoen om die trein hier te kry en dit gaan ons sleg raak as dit nooit weer loop nie.”

Volgens die toerismekantoor is daar ’n toeloop van mense wat kom vra of dit waar is.

http://www.dieburger.com/Stories/Streek/SuidKaap/19.0.1666019615.aspx


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: buzzlightyear on July 01, 2009, 10:18:39 AM
 :sad2:

Hoekom gaan alles nou onder?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on July 11, 2009, 07:56:31 AM
Choo-Tjoe sal danksy Transnet-ingryping loop totdat private instelling oorneem

(http://www.dieburger.com/Photos/DieBurgerWes/Photos/2009-07-11/News/Pic3--297x250.jpg)

George. - Die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe sal ná ’n maand van instandhouding weer op 1 Augustus terug wees op die spoor.

“Transnet het ingestem om die trein te laat loop totdat ’n private instelling dit kan oorneem,” het mnr. Alan Winde, Wes-Kaapse minister van finansies en ekonomiese ontwikkeling, gister gesê ná ’n vergadering in Johannesburg met mnr. Karl Socikwa, Transnet se groep- uitvoerende bestuurder.

“Transnet gaan binne die volgende ses tot agt weke al die inligting oor die bates bymekaarsit sodat ’n private belangstellende party presies weet waarvoor hy hom inlaat.”

Die inligting, sowel as die verslag oor ’n ondersoek wat deur Arcus Gibb gedoen is oor die voortbestaan van die trein, sal einde Augustus of vroeg September op ’n vergadering in George aan alle belangstellendes beskikbaar gestel word. “Op die inligtingsvergadering sal ons en Transnet mense en instellings – hetsy private individue, ondernemings of mense in die toerismebedryf wat belangstel om die Choo-Tjoe oor te neem – toespreek en vrae beantwoord.

“Daar sal ook ’n datum vasgestel word wanneer sakeplanne deur belangstellendes voorgelê moet word. Transnet het onderneem om die Choo-Tjoe te laat loop totdat dit deur ’n ander party oorgeneem word.”

In teenstelling met sy voorgangers verskaf Winde, wat op 8 Mei ingehuldig is, vryelik inligting en het vandeesweek ook die eerste Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe-nuusbrief die lig laat sien.

“Die nuusbrief het ontstaan na aanleiding van al die navrae sedert die trein op 26 Junie tot stilstand gekom het ná ’n vroeëre aankondiging van Transnet.

“Ek glo die publiek sal tot die trein se redding kom en die provinsiale regering is meer as gewillig om ’n fasiliterende rol te speel solank dit nodig is om die trein terug te kry op die spoor.”

Lede van die publiek wat insette wil lewer oor hoe die trein gered kan word, kan Winde se departement bel by 021 483 3531, of e-pos stuur na finmin@pgwc.gov. za.

http://www.dieburger.com/Stories/Streek/SuidKaap/19.0.1693265211.aspx


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on August 25, 2010, 11:37:32 AM
Choo-Tjoe se dae is getel as ’n redder nie gou na vore tree

Hoewel Transnet gister aangekondig het dat die bekende Choo-Tjoe-trein in die Suid-Kaap se dae getel is, is daar tog nog ’n buitekans dat hy gered kan word.

Mnr. Alan Winde, Wes-Kaapse minister van finansies, ekonomiese ontwikkeling en toerisme, het aan Die Burger gesê hy onderhandel met Transnet om die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna, en die trein self, aan die Wes-Kaapse provinsiale regering beskikbaar stel.

As dit gebeur, sal hy dan in samewerking met die private sektor ’n plan uitwerk om die trein steeds in bedryf te hou. Hy wag nou dat die onderhandelings afgehandel word.

Daar is betroubaar verneem dat geen finale datum nog bepaal is vir die laaste rit nie.

Tans loop die trein nog volgens skedule, afhangend van of daar genoeg ondersteuning is.

’n Rit is vir Vrydag geskeduleer. Vanaf 1 September loop hy elke Maandag, Woensdag en Vrydag in die oggend tussen George en Mosselbaai en in die middag terug.

Luidens die Transnet-verklaring is die diens tussen George en Mosselbaai weer sedert 2007 in bedryf. Daarna is begin met ’n openbare tenderproses om te kyk of ’n nuwe bedryfsoperateur gevind kon word.

Ongelukkig kon so ’n persoon of instansie nie gevind word nie en Transnet het geen ander keuse as om die diens te staak nie.

Die Outeniekwa-vervoermuseum in George se deure sal wel oop bly vir die publiek.

Die George-Mosselbaai-spoorlyn is deel van die Suid-Kaapse spoorlyne. Dit is geïdentifiseer as ’n projek wat deur ’n private operateur bedryf kan word.

Dit word gedoen deur ’n openbare proses en nog aankondigings kan binnekort gedoen word.

Transnet het in die verklaring bevestig hy het gesprekke met Winde gevoer oor die deel van die spoorlyn tussen George en Knysna. Dit is in die 2006-vloede erg beskadig.

Die voorneme is om toerisme-moontlikhede en ander geleenthede te ontsluit deur die betrokkenheid van die Wes-Kaapse regering. Meer sal later hieroor bekend gemaak word.

Winde het benadruk alles is nie verlore nie. Hy is vasbeslote om die trein te red.

Sedert die trein tussen tussen George en Mosselbaai loop, het dit verskeie ekonomiese voordele vir die streek verseker.

Winde het gesê as die Choo-Tjoe gestaak word, sal dit ’n groot verlies vir die toerismebedryf wees. “Ek wil die saak oplos.”

http://www.dieburger.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Choo-Tjoe-se-dae-is-getel-as-n-redder-nie-gou-na-vore-tree-20100825


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 12, 2010, 02:39:31 PM
Choo-Tjoe: Mosselbaai neem drastiese stappe

Die Mosselbaai-gemeenskap het tot aksie oorgegaan om te probeer om die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe te red nadat die beëindiging van dié diens verlede maand aangekondig is.

Dit volg op ‘n vergadering tussen Transnet, die Mosselbaai Toerismeraad, verteenwoordigers van die Mosselbaai Munisipaliteit en plaaslike besigheidspersone.

Die vergadering is beroep sodat Transnet kon verduidelik wat die prosedures en redes vir die besluit was om die diens te staak wat op die George-/Mosselbaailyn geloop het sedert vloede in 2006 die George-/Knysnalyn toegemaak het.
"By ‘n daaropvolgende vergadering, wat later die middag plaasgevind het, is besluit om ‘n dringende vergadering met die waarnemende hoof-uitvoerende beampte van Transnet (Edms) Bpk, mnr Chris Wells, te belê," sê Mosselbaai Toerisme se voorsitter van die raad, Neels Zietsman.

Volgens hom het Transnet, voordat besluit is om die diens toe te maak, twee tenders vir die bedryf van die Choo-Tjoe oorweeg, maar daar kon nie aan een van die maatskappy se vereistes om dit as ‘n geheel-besigheid te bedryf, voldoen word nie.

"Een van die tenderaars, Classic Rail Preservation (Edms) Bpk het intussen aangebied om die die Choo-Tjoe op die lyn tussen Mosselbaai-stasie en Hartenbos as ‘n toeriste-aantrekking en trein vir pendelaars te bedryf en al die partye teenwoordig. het hul onvoorwaardelike ondersteuning aan dié voorstel gegee," aldus mnr Zietsman.

Mosselbaai se burgemeester, raadsdame Marie Ferreira sê: "Die onlangse aankondiging dat Transnet sy bedryf van die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe tussen Mosselbaai en George op 17 September gaan staak, het as ‘n groot teleurstelling gekom en is dit ‘n saak van groot bekommernis vir die Raad, die Munisipaliteit en die Mosselbaai-gemeenskap - nie net oor die historiese waarde van die trein nie, maar ook oor die negatiewe impak wat die staking van dié diens op die plaaslike ekonomie sal hê.

"By my bestaan daar geen twyfel dat, vanuit ‘n Transnet oogpunt, die besluit goed oorweeg was en dat dit op beide ekonomiese lewensvatbaarheid in sy huidige vorm, asook op die maatskappy se verklaarde mikpunt om op sy hoof-besigheid van vragvervoer te kan fokus, gebaseer is nie.
"Maar, terwyl ek die besluit ten volle respekteer, wil ek nogtans vertoë aan die maatskappy rig om die uitfasering van die diens oor ‘n langer tydperk te laat strek, sodat dit met die einde van die huidige toerisme-seisoen, wat einde April 2011 eindig, sal saamval.

"Talle internasionale toeroperateurs, onbewus dat die diens binnekort staak, het die Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reeds in hul pakkette vir hierdie seisoen ingesluit. Hierdie periode sluit die vakansieseisoen aan die einde van die jaar in wanneer duisende vakansiegangers en daarom potensiële kliënte van die Choo-Tjoe, na die gebied stroom."
Mnr Zietsman sê dat só ‘n reëling die nodige ekstra tyd sal koop waarin ander planne gemaak kan word en dat Classic Rail ander belangstellende partye genooi het om saam met hom in die voorgestelde projek te deel, wat, hy sê, die potensiaal het om Mosselbaai se grootste aantrekkingskrag kan word asook om ’n daadwerklike bydrae tot die plaaslike ekonomie te maak.

"Dit sal Mosselbaai as ‘n onmisbare bestemming vir toeroperateurs posisioneer," sê hy.
"Dit gee ook spesifieke aandag aan die staat se vereistes vir breedvoerige swart ekonomiese bemagtiging en sal verskeie uitdagings wat die dorp in die gesig staar, oplos - soos om werksgeleenthede te skep, asook die groeiende probleem van verkeersophoping wat gedurende die somervakansie plaasvind," sê hy.
Hy sê ook dat die venster van geleentheid klein is en dat vinnige aksie daarom nodig is.
"Ons moet alles moontlik doen om te verseker dat die stoomtreindiens behoue bly - nie net vir Mosselbaai nie, maar ook vir die land as ‘n geheel."

Artikel verskaf deur die Mossel Bay Advertiser, susterkoerant van die George Herald.

http://www.georgeherald.com/news.aspx?id=2097


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Berm_Rooster on September 12, 2010, 09:25:44 PM
Ek dink dit is baie beangrik dat iemand seker maak dat die trein nie doodloop nie. Al is dit net die CAW CBS roete. C sal gaaf wees, maar iet is beter as niks.

Ek hoop hulle kry Transnet ge-oortuig om uit te hou tot na die vakansie. Dit maak die meeste sin.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 14, 2010, 06:14:24 PM
(http://www.georgeherald.com/img/gh2010914155612.jpg)

GARDEN ROUTE NEWS - After many desperate and unsuccessful attempts to find a new operator for the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe, the train will take its last trip this Friday.


 :sad5:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Dual on September 14, 2010, 06:42:07 PM
Weereens 'n hartseer storie oor goed wat was en nie meer sal wees nie
Baie ander goed wat ook ten gronde gaan en daar bly lê


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 14, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
Dis baie hartseer ja, ma dis nie ekonomies volhoubaar nie. Nou wat nou? Dis hartseer, maar sulke dinge gebeur. Niemand wil hê die Choo-Tjoe moet stop nie, maar niemand gaan ry ook nie. :-\


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Dual on September 14, 2010, 06:51:43 PM
Seker 'n stupid vraag - hoekom het dit dan in die verlede gewerk
Was daar meer mense wat belangestel en ondersteun het
Het die ouens minder "geskep" in die ou dae
Het die onkostes maar doodeenvoudig te hoog geraak

Ek weet ons kan onsself nie met Amerika vergelyk nie, maar op Channel 181 'n program gesien van die privaat treine in Amerika en hoe hulle bedryf en bemark word - ek sê weer, ons kan ons nie met hulle vergelyk nie


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 14, 2010, 07:15:32 PM
Die vloed het gebeur. Die lyn het weg gespoel en daar was nie geld om 'n nie-kommersiele lyn te herstel nie.

Die trip van George na Mosselbaai is nie juis besonders nie. Dis maar net die lokomotief wat dit spesiaal maak. Die George - Knysna lyn was asemrowend met tonnels, lang brûe oor rivier monde en die "lakes", ens. Dit was spesiaal en het meer aftrek gekry.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Pad on September 15, 2010, 07:47:31 AM
Ek wonder hoeveel jare die ou trein brue nou oor die mere gaan staan en verroes voordat dit afgebreek sal word?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on September 15, 2010, 02:47:45 PM
Afbreek kos geld, wat daar nie is nie. Daar sal seker ge-wag word tot iemand ernstig seerkry of selfs doodgaan en dan sal die
bruê toegespan word.  :bang: :bang:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 15, 2010, 02:50:46 PM
Hulle wil die hele roete van George na Knysna omskep in 'n berg fiets roete.

Daar sal baie adrenalien vloei as jy daar deur Thembalethu ry :D


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on September 15, 2010, 04:20:22 PM
 :laugh top:

Het al daar rond ge-ploeter met die bike, ook saam met die ou wat die quads uit huur en daar van Rademachers af
in daai omgewing rondry, om een of ander rede hou die mense van Thembalethu nie daarvan nie.
Hulle stel strikke en pak klippe oor die paadjies sodat daar nie gery kan word nie  :Scratch:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 15, 2010, 04:23:56 PM
Daai ou met die Quads? Dis Gert Stander. Ek het saam met hom destyds daai besigheid begin. Jy sal sien ek is op van die flyers. :D

Hy is nou Brisbane en sy suster Anita run die besigheid. Ek het baie daar rond gery.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on September 15, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
 :laugh top: :laugh top:

Geweet jy moes, anders waar het jy die pics van die treinspoor wat so opgevrommel is gekry? :biggrin:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Berm_Rooster on September 16, 2010, 07:59:14 AM
Hoekom reel on nie n treinspoor ride vanaf CBS tot by CX nie?

In herinnering of in protes?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on September 16, 2010, 12:38:56 PM
Kyk na TR se fotos, daar is nie 'n manier wat jy daar met 'n bike gaan ry nie :eek:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 16, 2010, 03:50:49 PM
Ek het al op 'n treinspoor gery. Dis nie lekker nie.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Berm_Rooster on September 16, 2010, 05:10:28 PM
Geen protes is lekker nie. Julle klom pissies! :pot:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: marcia on September 23, 2010, 01:33:10 AM
i'd like to take a train ride  :wink1:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: lox on September 23, 2010, 06:25:58 AM
gelukkig het ek en die gesin die voorreg gehad die trein van george na knysna en terug te ry voor die spoor weggespoel het

ons het in 2002 ook met trein van Worcester na Messina en terug gery, Maandag tot Vrydag, het die sonsverduistering gaan beleef.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Dual on September 23, 2010, 06:54:50 AM
Met ons opleiding te Kroonstad het ons van Pretoria tot op Kroonstad met die trein gery - dit was in 1982
Die manne het soveel kaark aangejaag op die trein en met die mense langs die treinspoor, dat ons die laaste troepegroep was wat trein gery het
Daarna het almal met busse gery
 :innocent: :biggrin: - vet pret gewees


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 23, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
Ek het nog troepetrein gery in 1992. Al die pad tot by Voortrekkerhoogte.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on September 23, 2010, 04:05:44 PM
Met ons opleiding te Kroonstad het ons van Pretoria tot op Kroonstad met die trein gery - dit was in 1982
Die manne het soveel kaark aangejaag op die trein en met die mense langs die treinspoor, dat ons die laaste troepegroep was wat trein gery het
Daarna het almal met busse gery
 :innocent: :biggrin: - vet pret gewees


Laat jy my nou dink aan daai trein dae  :MrGreen:  Jislaaik ons het baie pret gemaak  :biggrin:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 07:23:32 AM
The Mossel Bay Tourism Board announced its intention of reviving the Choo-Tjoe steam train, albeit on a shorter route.

Tourism Board director Andre Strauss announced at a Mossel Bay Business Chamber meeting that they are applying to privatise the line between Hartenbos and Mossel Bay in order to restore a steam train on shorter branch lines.

"Mossel Bay has all the right to claim some of the steam amenities and artifacts as national treasures for itself," he said.
It will include the Voorbaai steam depot, the only remaining steam depot in the country that still belongs to Spoornet.
Knysna businessman Allan McVitty, who had previously tendered unsuccessfully to take over the Choo Tjoe, said a steam train between Hartenbos and Mossel Bay could also be operated as a commuter train. The town will once again have to establish a station.

"Running a train between Hartenbos and Mossel Bay on a regular basis is just so much more viable than over a longer stretch. This will give tourists as well as residents a direct access to the waterfront, the CBD and alleviate traffic congestion, especially during the summer season," he added.

Some of the new stops that could be incorporated included Langeberg Mall, Dias Strand and Santos Beach. The existing railway line already runs along the length of the town, without cutting through it.

A commuter system between Little Brak or even Great Brak and Mossel Bay as well as a track down to the Point were also possibilities mentioned. The increase in passengers on cruise liners that stop over in Mossel Bay could also benefit from such a service.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on November 04, 2010, 04:34:34 PM
 :Scratch:  TR ek weet nie so mooi nie!
Ek is seker hulle het die spoorlyn in voorbaai heeltemal verwyder?
Miskien kan iemand van daar meer vertel?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 07, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
Save the Choo-Tjoe

(http://www.georgeherald.com/img/gh201115144527.jpg)

The Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe may have stopped running between George and Mossel Bay, but its list of fans is growing.

"Facebook is a fantastic way of keeping in touch with the many thousands of people who loved the train that became the Garden Route’s iconic attraction," said Mossel Bay Tourism’s Marcia Holm, who created the Facebook group ‘Save the Outeniqua Choo Tjoe’ earlier this year.

The service was closed by its owner, Transnet, because the company had failed to find a suitable bidder after its decision to sell it off as a going concern.

"The Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe was a national asset that drew hundreds of thousands of visitors to this area, increased foot-flow to both the Outeniqua Transport Museum in George and the Diaz Museum Complex in Mossel Bay, and provided a reason for many, many tour groups to stay a second or even third night in the region," said Holm.

But, she said, the struggle to see a re-launch of the much-loved steam train service hasn’t ended.

"We’re hoping to see a new operator create a limited service between Mossel Bay and Hartenbos in the near future.

"This route makes sense because it passes through the historic and strategically important Voorbaai Yards - the last nationally owned steam maintenance facility in the country - and because, since it’s confined to a an urban area, there’s a limited threat of veld fires, so the train can run on steam every day.

"It’s also a much shorter route than before, so the use of water is limited - which is an important consideration in an area that’s recently come through the worst drought in over a century," she said.

Holm said that the train could become both a commuter and a tourist service. "Especially in the holiday season, Mossel Bay would benefit from any relief of pressure on the roads."

In the meantime, she said, the Facebook page is providing a lively forum for discussion about a possible future service.

"We recently asked ‘If there was another service and it can’t be called the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe, what name would you suggest?’ and were rewarded with many creative suggestions, including Magda Van Eyk’s Garden Route Choo-Tjoe, Brett Lamerton’s Garden Route Express, Johan Andreas du Plessis’ Garden Route Rail Adventures, Jade Wilson’s Mossel Bay Flyer, Outeniqua Wanderer and Outeniqua Explorer, Ben Weingartz’ Diaz Express, and Glenn Lewington’s Garden Route Puffer.

"In truth, there isn’t any service at the moment, but the Facebook group proves that there is a definite demand for one."
Holm emphasised that the group is growing, even though the train stopped running as far back as September. "Nearly 60 people joined over the Day of Reconciliation weekend alone."

She said that any news on the future of the service would be announced both in the formal media and via the group, and she called on tour companies, steam train enthusiasts, local accommodation providers, and concerned friends to join, and to take part in the conversations.

"Any potential operator is going to take a group of this size seriously," she said. To join, search ‘Save the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe’ on Facebook.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Operator on January 07, 2011, 11:06:48 AM
Die probleem is dat 'n Facebook groep eintlik maar 'n novelty idee is...........

Mense wat "fans" is van die trein, koop nie noodwendig die kaartjies wat nodig
is om die projek ekonomies lewensvatbaar te maak nie.

Persoonlik dink ek dat Facebook groepe dra geen krag nie. :evil1:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 07, 2011, 11:40:57 AM

Mense wat "fans" is van die trein, koop nie noodwendig die kaartjies nie.


Dis wat ek ook gedink het.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Pmdb on January 07, 2011, 05:19:52 PM
Ek het gister al met die spoor langs geloop van Wildernis tot naby Vic-baai. Dit gaan baaie meer vat as 'n "facebook" groepie om daai sppor te herstel.

Interesante ou (gay-rasta) raak geloop wat in oorhang/grot net voor die Kaaimans brug langs die spoor 'n fasiliteit in stand hou waar backpackers oornag asook die odd hawelose. Dis baie skoon en netjies met verskeie vertrekke asook lekker binnebraai en buitebraai met baie mooi uitsig. Jy moet loop tot daar met jou rugsak.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 07, 2011, 07:10:55 PM
Daai grot was 'n restourant toe die trein nog geloop het.

Die spoor Knysna toe sal seker nooit weer oop nie. :-\


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Pmdb on January 07, 2011, 07:39:11 PM
Daai grot was 'n restourant toe die trein nog geloop het.


paar fotos


(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/54359/IMG_0741.jpg)


(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/54359/IMG_0738.jpg)


mooi view


(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/54359/IMG_0743.jpg)


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Natuurkind on January 07, 2011, 07:55:00 PM
Ek het gister al met die spoor langs geloop van Wildernis tot naby Vic-baai. Dit gaan baaie meer vat as 'n "facebook" groepie om daai sppor te herstel.

Interesante ou (gay-rasta) raak geloop wat in oorhang/grot net voor die Kaaimans brug langs die spoor 'n fasiliteit in stand hou waar backpackers oornag asook die odd hawelose. Dis baie skoon en netjies met verskeie vertrekke asook lekker binnebraai en buitebraai met baie mooi uitsig. Jy moet loop tot daar met jou rugsak.

Whow, dit klink interessant. Kan enigiemand daar gaan oornag Pmdb? Nogal die 1ste keer wat ek hoor van 'n gay-rasta. Seker 'n baie interessante ou? Sal hom een of ander tyd moet gaan ontmoet en sommer daar oorslaap ook. Imagine jy sit daar in die aand laat met 'n leka vuurtjie wat brand......... MMMMMmmmmm hoe lus kry ek nou vir so iets doen.  :biggrin:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Pmdb on January 07, 2011, 08:11:38 PM
Die ou het sulke lang rasta-hare en is bietjie verfynd. Dit ruik heerlik soet daar binne, moet bobbejaan-twak wees. Die paar "gaste" wat daar was wat ek gesien het was almal manlik  :smirk:

Daar is water en riool maar dit lyk nie of daar krag is nie.

Sal self daar wil sit, maar my vrou moet maar die agterhoede dek.  :evil2:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Umdani on January 08, 2011, 10:01:25 AM
Mag rastas dan gay wees? :evil2: Dit klink goed. Die feit is gewone mense doen gewoontlik gewone boring goed. Dit verg 'n alternatiewe persoon om so iets te laat werk! :MrGreen:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 20, 2011, 04:58:57 PM
(http://www.georgeherald.com/img/gh2011119152928.jpg)

In an ongoing effort to resurrect the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe train service between George and Knysna, Western Cape minister of finance and tourism, Alan Winde, asked the new public enterprises minister, Mr Malusi Gigaba, for a meeting to discuss the transfer of the train to the Western Cape government.

Toward the end of last year, the train had come to a complete halt when its licence to transport passengers expired. Since then, it has been lying idle to the dismay of many, including Winde.

On a recent trip to Knysna, he surveyed sections of the line and realised just how much work would need to be done to get the Choo-Tjoe back up and running. Nevertheless, Winde is determined to see it happen.

Last year, the provincial government applied to take over the train and the line it runs on. "Although it is a complicated process, this would allow us to put it out to tender and, ultimately, come up with a solution to save it. Regrettably, in late October last year, the minister of public enterprises was replaced, slowing the response from national government," said Winde.

"The transfer of ownership of the train is a priority issue that needs to be addressed quickly if we are to preserve the train as a heritage icon. The longer it lies idle, the harder it will be to get it back on the tracks. "In addition, the Garden Route has gone through a tourist season without one of its major attractions, leaving many hopeful Choo-Tjoers disappointed."


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on January 20, 2011, 06:19:55 PM
What is the powervan that runs along the track on Montagu Pass ?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 20, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Not a Steam Train.

Just a van with a 3L Ford Cortina engine.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on January 20, 2011, 07:31:51 PM
Is it a tourist attraction and does it run all year ? Also from where to where does it run ?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on January 21, 2011, 09:32:47 AM
Yes it runs from the train Museum in George up the mountain and back. Sundowner trips etc.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on January 21, 2011, 02:52:35 PM
  :eek: R 580.00 a trip.  :eek:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 21, 2011, 02:56:47 PM
R85/person, minimum 20 people

http://www.rummage.co.za/George-Garden-Route-South-Africa-Power-Van_content_op_view_id_44


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on January 21, 2011, 03:07:10 PM
 :eek: R 580.00 a trip.  :eek:

That is what I read on a web page that popped up on Google. Possibly for the whole group, but I recall it as per person.
Now it is at least back on my to do list.

George - Power VanDESCRIPTION
Trips on rail with the Outeniqua Power Van are some of the most popular tourist attractions in the Garden Route. This unique eco experience can be enjoyed from the comfort of your carriage while enjoying one of the most scenic railway passes in the country. Experience the forest, four passes, waterfalls, 6 tunnels, fynbos, flowers, birds and animal with panoramic views.


http://www.toursforsouthafrica.com/tours/half-day-tours/george-power-van?tour=yes

INCLUDESEXCLUDESPRICEGuided Standard Tours, Vehicle, Driver, Fuel, Entrance Fees, Light Lunch. Please Note that a minimum of 5 passengers is required. Prices are subjected to Rate Changes. Terms and Conditions Apply.
Beverages & Gratuities
R580.00 Per Person


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 21, 2011, 03:14:16 PM
What you saw was a full tour with transport to/from the powervan etc. it seems, that would explain the price.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Rustyb on January 22, 2011, 02:51:06 PM
 :blond:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on March 17, 2011, 09:16:40 PM
There are fears in steam enthusiast circles that our Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe locomotive trains will suffer the same fate as those kept at the South African Railways and Steam Museum in Krugersdorp where about 29 had to be scrapped, due to the damages inflicted by bronze thieves.

Friends of the Choo-Tjoe chairman, Fraser Howell, a retired civil engineer from Knysna, said this week that to get to the bronze parts of the old historic locomotives, axle-boxes were destroyed which render them useless for future trips. It was perturbing that in these raids hundreds of kilogrammes of bronze were stolen under the noses of security guards. The dismayed steam enthusiast said being inside a museum was no guarantee for safety.

Kobus Volschenk of Transnet’s Heritage Preservation said this week that all four of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe steam locomotives used for the train service are securely locked away. Two steam locomotives are in the Outeniqua Railway Museum in Mission Street in George, where the railway carriages are also kept behind security fencing, and two at the Voorbaai workshops and depot which is not easily accessible and generally closed to the public.

Howell said the Friends of the Choo-Tjoe are in the process of restoring an old railway inspection trolley (built in the 1970s) with which they wanted to keep the Choo-Tjoe in the forefront of attention. Pressure must be placed by Transnet to transfer the trains, rolling stock and land to the Western Cape Province, because premier Helen Zille and finance minister Allan Winde are quite serious about getting the train back on track. This was done with funds raised among the members. Outside funding will also be sought to keep up the campaign.

Active
Amongst the Friends’ members there are civil engineers and architects who are in the process of conducting their own survey as to what it will cost to restore the railwayline between Sedgefield and Knysna, which was washed away by the floods, so that it can be determined exactly how much money is involved in getting the service up and running again.
"Too many figures have been bandied about, resulting in confusion and people jumping to the conclusion about how impossible it is to restore the damaged rails.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on June 23, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
GARDEN ROUTE NEWS - It is almost five years since the Choo-Tjoe stopped operating between George and Knysna and nearly a year since the steam service to Mossel Bay was discontinued.

Transnet have abandoned the George-Knysna branch line and withdrawn the Steam subsidy. Last year SOUTH maga-zine referred to the "massive odds against finding a private sector operator prepared to spend the amounts of money on the Choo-Tjoe." Pretty much everyone has now had to accept that, sadly, the steam train will not return to George-Knysna line.

The economic recession and the resultant decline in tourism is everywhere evident on the Garden Route through to Plettenberg Bay: businesses have been forced to close and many hotels and guesthouses have gone out of business.

But there are glimmers of light. The Oyster Festival in Knysna continues to attract thousands of cyclists for the events that take place as part of the festival. Mossel Bay Tourism has recognized that ‘Cycling is one of the fastest growing sports in South Africa’ and launched a tourist brochure outlining the cycling attractions in the area.

The Garden Route Cycleway Association (GRCA) has, for a number of years, been promoting the concept of a dedicated, world-class Cycleway on the abandoned railway reserve between Knysna and George. Chairperson John Stegmann outlined the concept:

"As the first of its kind in Africa, it will convert the Garden Route into Africa’s premier cycling destination. A route as scenically spectacular as ours, retaining steam era artifacts and ambiance, and built to international standards, will attract many thousands of local and overseas tourists per annum."

South Africans are familiar with big annual one-day events and off-road mountain bike trails. We are not familiar with cycle tourism where families with young children tour a country by bicycle, nor do we see many ordinary people in normal attire cycling daily as a preferred means of transportation.

The Outeniqua Cycleway will provide all these cyclists with a delightful and continuous car-free riding surface, with easy gradients. It will take them safely from the centre of George to the centre of Knysna.

Free facility. The Cycleway, because it is free, will allow local communities to enjoy it and to use for transportation.
Operating. Since the Cycleway is a public amenity, it would be operated by a non-profit public benefit Trust made up of representatives of the local communities.

Unique tourist attraction. There is no equivalent cycleway in SA. The Cycleway will be a unique attraction, open all day 365 days a year.

Multiple users. A cycleway, although designed primarily for recreational cyclists, can also be used by mountain bikers, road bikers, roller-bladers, pedestrians, runners, hikers and the disabled.

Job creation. The Business Plan for the Cycleway estimates that 250 permanent jobs will be created. Prominent business leaders have suggested that this figure is far too conservative as there are additional ‘multiplier’ effects.

Economic and social benefits. A Canadian study in 2006 showed that touring cyclists spend twice as much as car-based tourists because of their reliance on local services.

Financing. Because the Cycleway is a public amenity, funds can be sourced from local municipalities and the Provincial Government of the Western Cape, as well as from national agencies.

Sustainability. Once established, the cost of maintaining the Cycleway is low, which means that it will be financially viable.
Environmental issues. A Cycleway must be the most environmentally appropriate use for the abandoned rail reserve, allowing locals and tourists to enjoy all the beauty that the region has to offer in a manner that promotes a healthy and responsible lifestyle.

GRCA has stood back for more than four years to allow the steam enthusiasts ample time to find a steam train solution. During that time the potential benefits of the corridor have been on hold. Unfortunately the rail corridor cannot be a shared facility. The best possible use for this public facility would be as a dedicated Cycleway. GRCA now wishes to see the hard decision being made, together with a commitment to have substantial parts of the Cycleway operational as soon as possible.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on June 23, 2011, 10:04:17 AM
Ek is nie so seker dit sal veilig wees nie. Daai lyn loop deur die voorheen benadeelde area en hulle het die trein met klippe gegooi.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Prins on June 23, 2011, 10:58:10 AM
TR

Kan jy nie vir ons so paar road-tests vir fietse doen nie...  :teaze: :peepwall: :peepwall:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on June 23, 2011, 11:01:40 AM
Ek het nou die dag 'n elektriese fiets gery :D


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: lox on June 23, 2011, 04:03:49 PM
Ek is nie so seker dit sal veilig wees nie. Daai lyn loop deur die voorheen benadeelde area en hulle het die trein met klippe gegooi.


nou wanneer ek so iets hoor wonder ek mos op watter manier het die trein die mense kwaad gemaak. die trein is mos onskuldig. jaloesie en onvergenoegd wees?


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on June 23, 2011, 05:01:44 PM
Nee, selfde storie as Lesotho. Toeriste het soms vir die kinders lekkers gegooi. Daarna het hulle begin klippe gooi as hulle nie lekkers kry nie. ::)


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on April 11, 2012, 12:34:57 PM
GARDEN ROUTE - In a last attempt to save the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe, Western Cape Minister of Finance, Economic Affairs and Tourism, Allan Winde will be knocking on the door of Transnet CEO Brian Molefe to try and get a final answer as to what his intentions are with regard to the Choo-Tjoe.

Molefe apparently promised Winde that he would give an answer by November 2011.
But since then, there has not been a single word on the future of the Choo-Tjoe.

It is not clear whether Transnet has looked at the existing business plan or ordered new studies to be done.

Molefe had indicated that he has a soft spot for the Garden Route and the steam train and was keen on re-lauching the service.

Read the full story in tomorrow's George Herald, and online.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on September 20, 2012, 07:32:19 AM
In Heritage and Tourism Month, hopes for reviving the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe 67km train service between George and Knysna were expressed by the DA.

DA Western Cape Spokesperson Development, Tourism and Public Works MPL, Eugene von Brandis said he welcomed the investigation into finding optimal use of the railway line including options for using it as a tourist attraction, learner commute transport and even a carrier for refuse removal for Plettenberg Bay, Knysna and George.

He was referring to the business case proposal study launched by Western Cape Minister of Finance, Economic Development and Tourism Alan Winde, into the feasibility of reinstating South Africa's last remaining scheduled steam train service.

Winde told Knysna-Plett Herald's Fran Kirstin, "We are in discussions with the IDC (Industrial Development Corporation) and the National Department of Tourism to seek a multiple-party partnership agreement with Transnet and local government." He was speaking, following a presentation by the Department of Economic Development Tourism to the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Development last week.

Bottom line
Earlier this year, Transnet CEO Brian Molefe poured cold water on hopes for a clear-cut solution, by saying quite unequivocally in a Business Day 30 April report that "Transnet does not have the R150-million required to put the Choo-Tjoe back on track, but we will listen to anyone who is prepared to put up the money." This follows a Transnet task team reportedly investigating various operational models, including forming partnerships during September 2011.

After a nine month wait, Minister Winde was informed that Transnet wants to see a business case study from the Western Cape Government, which will assist Transnet in making a decision on whether it can transfer the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe rolling stock to a successful operator. Minister Winde said that the estimated cost implications of such a venture would need to be finalised.

Priority
At the beginning of the year, Winde expressed a sense of urgency about reinstating the service which has been out of commission, since the 2006 floods partly destroyed sections of the railway line. "The transfer of ownership of the train is a priority issue that needs to be addressed quickly if we are to preserve the train as a heritage icon. The longer it lies idle, the harder it will be to get it back on the tracks."

In a Business Day report, Mr Molefe stated categorically: "The Choo-Tjoe rail reserve belongs to Transnet. We have not considered alienating the railway land and we have no plans to do so yet. The only thing that could change is if someone brought R150-million to the table. Then we could talk." This did not deter Winde, who in June 2012, reported that talks were ongoing but that a suitable operator has not to date been identified.

Molefe also dashed the hopes of the Garden Route Cycleway Association, who want to construct a cycleway on the dormant railway line, with the proviso that Transnet would sign over the property and infrastructure.


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on February 26, 2013, 07:38:01 AM
(http://www.georgeherald.com/img/acltn20130220-164841-276_u0.jpg)

GEORGE NEWS - "Everyone who has been following the saga of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe since the disastrous floods of 2006 and 2007 will by now have come to the realization that the cost of returning the steam train to service is prohibitive."

This is the view of Dr Phillip Parsons, member of the The Garden Route Cycleway Association. The Garden Route Cycleway Association has been actively campaigning for the creation of a world-class public cycleway on the rail reserve since 2007.

According to Parsons Transnet has been calling for a private investor, but no-one is willing to invest the R250 million required to repair the line. "Recently it has reversed its decision to abandon the line and has appointed a task team to investigate possible co-operative models, involving the local authorities and business communities. However, these are unlikely to provide a financially viable operational model."

"And all the while the rail reserve and attendant infrastructure are allowed to deteriorate. There are also adverse effects on the region's tourism industry."

Parsons said the proposed Outeniqua Cycleway offers the opportunity to create a car-free, 67km dedicated recreational cycle way connecting the centre of George with the centre of Knysna. "It would traverse some of the most spectacular countryside to be found anywhere in the world and tap into the growing national and international interest in recreational and commuting cycling."

Parsons told the George Herald that the next step would be to investigate the feasibility of converting the abandoned line into a dedicated, international standard cycle way. "If the results of this feasibility study are positive, and all indications from GRCA's own business plan are that it would be, this would provide Transnet with an ideal opportunity to assist in the creation of a non-profit trust to oversee the operation."

Parsons said the next move needed to come from Transnet. "They can agree to co-operate with bodies such as the GRCA and work out a solution that benefits everyone. Or they can sit on the asset, allow it to deteriorate further and deny the region access to this valuable community resource. The choice is as simple as that."


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Smidty on February 27, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
 :beatdeadhorse:  het julle al die spoor gesien agter die mall?

nie 'n manier wat hulle pad gaan maak daar nie  :evil1:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on February 27, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Die een?

http://www.saforums.co.za/rlt/index.php?topic=1049.msg21478#msg21478

 :MrGreen:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: tok-tokkie on March 20, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
Here is a photo essay about a 4 day trip by rail in Ecuador.  The line was in a similar condition to the George/Knysna line but it has been rehabilitated.  This trip really must be one of the greatest train trips in the world - putting the Blue Train into perspective & also the Orient Express.  Check out the switchback where the train has to zig-zag in forward & reverse to get down a slope.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/gallery/2013/mar/19/ecuador-greatest-train-repoens-rail-travel-in-pictures#/?picture=405658761&index=0


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on November 23, 2014, 03:47:43 PM
GOOD NEWS ! Local and National Goverment have decided to repair the Rail Road between George and Knysna. The main focus will be freight, but the old Knysna Choo tjoe will be the "Cherie on the Cake" ! The work will start early in 2015 - Donald Grant(Minister of Transport Western Cape)


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Operator on November 24, 2014, 08:41:10 AM
Selfs in Suid-Afrika gebeur nog wonderwerke !!!   

Nooit gedink dat daar geld na hierdie projek gegooi toe sou word nie.  :thumb:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: Trailrider on November 24, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
GEORGE NEWS FLASH - The revival of the Outeniqua Choo Tjoe currently enjoys a lot of attention.

It forms part of a rail regeneration project for the Eden District, and will be discussed tooday during a meeting in Johannesburg between delegates from the Western Cape Government and Transnet.

This R1 billion project includes extensive repairs to the railway between George and Knysna.

"The friends of the Choo Tjoe asked us to do something, and that is exactly what we are trying to do," said Donald Grant, Western Cape Minister of Transport, during the Eden District Municipality’s Mayoral Forum on Friday.

Allan McVitty of Classic Rail gave a presentation to all the mayors of the different municipalities in the district.

According to Grant, this is “at least” a five year project, which will hopefully get started by next year in April. “We are passionate about rail and we are passionate about tourism. We want this to work,” he said.

http://www.georgeherald.com/news/News/General/92121/Project-underway-to-get-Choo-Tjoe-back-on-track


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: CK1 on November 27, 2014, 09:01:14 PM
Dis goeie nuus  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: SUID-KAAP: Choo-Tjoe dalk weer na Knysna
Post by: tok-tokkie on November 30, 2014, 10:28:07 AM
I am really pleased by that.  They talk about infrastructure development as a contribution to economic recovery; this is exactly that.  If an economic assessment is made it would be extremely difficult to say what it will do for the region but, for a tourist destination to have something really special and something other places can't copy is of great significance.  I think it will be money well spent as it will be of long lasting benefit to the community.